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Minelab Profind 35
« on: November 24, 2017, 18:08 »
All,

Been hanging out for this to be released and it does live up the hype. Similar sensitivity to the Garratt AT with iron descimination as a bonus. Where I think it will be a major asset is for nugget recovery, its super sensitive with iron detect and DIF technology. I pulled together a few videos that hopefully demonstrate its strengths.






 

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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 18:41 »
Great review mate, have been waiting to get my hands on one of the new profind35.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 20:40 »
Hopefully we will get a couple of pinpointers for the end of the year comps from Miners Den/ Bendigo Gold. I will know tomorrow. The new 35 is very loud, even underwater.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 07:14 »
Hopefully we will get a couple of pinpointers for the end of the year comps from Miners Den/ Bendigo Gold. I will know tomorrow. The new 35 is very loud, even underwater.
They would make a ripper prize Ray - Good luck to the lucky entrants thus far 
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 20:30 »
They would make a ripper prize Ray - Good luck to the lucky entrants thus far
Hey Ray - How did you find the 35  on finding gold and shot when finding targets?
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2017, 08:02 »
I got to try it at the van show and the only gold was walking past. Someone dropped the test unit onto concrete and it was playing up. I found it still worked but was told it wasn’t as loud after being dropped.
They are on the shelves in America so they should be available soon here.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2017, 15:43 »
I think the ProFind 35 will find some good use in the gold fields...


Can not believe that it can pick up Niblits :-)   That is sub gram gold bits.  Only have 3 and about 0.18 to 0.31 and the ProFind 35 gets them at a good 5 to 8 mm at full sensitivity.


Not going to separate led shot from nuggets or niblets but interesting when teh niblet is placed with a bit of wire.   It will come back to the USER and how well they know the PF35 but opens up some opportunities with crevicing in creeks etc.

 
PS.  None of the other pin-pointers I have come even close and some will not even register when placed directly on the probe...
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 15:45 »
I am playing as of NOW, with the ML Profind 35..
Like the Volume on first power up... But will need to work out the field shape in AIR; B4 I look at testing it on a few items. Then some real world tests on the beach / along side a couple of others.
NOTE: I own about 10 plus PinPointers and have stripped and repaired a few different brands and had to do major surgery on a large number of the old black Garret units.
I also use a couple as my GO TO and the ML ProFind 25 gets a good work out (I know how it performs in lots of different conditions) and the Deteknix for beach and water work. As such, I have developed a few habits and there are some functionalities that I have a STRONG BIAS for :-)

Major dislikes on first interaction:
* Uses standard 9V batteries = Should be LiPo and Rechargeable
* Sealed internals = Disposable (Same as the 25) and a few other brands
* No rate led = I have become very attached to the Red Rate led on the Deteknix. With Audio Off, you only get one sensory feedback. Of a night with audio off (headphones on ) a rate led gives you 2 sensory feedback signals; and that helps when the target is on teh edge of the range..
* No pad in the cap = May or may not be an issue; but not all batteries are made the same. OR this may have been an over site in this first shipment ?
* Serial # barcode in a place that will see the readability destroyed in a short time..

Then again, these are my Personal Gripes and many other Pin-pointers have the same CONS, from MY perspective.
A simple check of the field strength and it appears to be a full sphere with a wide sense along the shaft. As to how this may impact on the method I use when targeting an item; only field testing over time will tell. And it may just mean, I have to change my method.
I am surprised at how well it picks up SUB gram niblets of Gold.. Can not call sub gram gold; nuggets :-) But as I am not a Gold hunter and the soils can be hard here in Australia; others will have to comment as to its effectiveness / functionality in the gold fields.

I will do some more work on the unit tomorrow and provide updates to testing and what I discover/experience. The next couple of weeks will be interesting.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 16:09 »
So some real world testing over the next week and most of it will be on the beach as that is where I do most of my random hunts...

Will be some months b4 I can test at my permission as the grounds are off limits for a while... But too hot any way LOL.

As a preview, some simple field testing to understand the shape of the sense area - I know the Deteknix well and hence I can target the center of any target within 1 or 2mm.   There are tricks to this and it works with all, but you need to know your pin-pointer sense area and how strong it is; in the ground you are detecting on.   S0 simple but I see so many that demonstrate a lack of knowladge / skill in this area...  Off the soap box LOL.

A basic AIR test to start to understand...   Some common targets -  couple of coins (5c to $1) for size difference, a 925 Pandora ring and a earring that is stamped 375 on the clasp; but the main body is plated I think.   And 3 little Niblets for good luck.

The PF35 hit the niblets every time.  See the red dot in the field sense, while the other failed to sound OR only did when the bigger nibilet was touching the probe.  

The 375 earring was interesting, again the PF35 smashed it AND as experience has shown me previously, the Deteknix was the worse for this type of item.  See the asterisk and interesting to note that both PF units did well.

Looks like the PF35 has some extra depth but that is not every thing, it likes gold and that is a good thing...  The sense area is too broad for me and that may mean I have some refining to do in my pinpointing process.  And when in a hole, it may well make it a bit harder to work out which side or where the target is...  But that is yet to be experienced by my self, but am sure I will find out next week.

Note:  If you are a PLUGGER then the fine details as to field sense area etc will be irrelevant...
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 21:26 »
Thans Am, some really good info there..
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 23:15 »
The range at the top of each one is a ROUGH guide as to say where the $1 or $2 was picked up Vs the other items (excluding the Earring / Niblets ).

I also did the tests on all but the Deteknix with the same Rechargeable (full charge) and a NEW Alkaline battery, to also take any possible supply issues into consideration.  The Deteknix is rechargeable with a built in battery and that was fully charged; prior to any testing. 

I also did have another experience that some may hate and others may find useful as a FUNCTIONALITY bug/feature.

The Speaker is not on top, like many others or the PF 25.  It is rather large and underneath.  The volume of the PF35 is quite loud ( I will take Db readings later) but you can reduce the volume with your index finger.   However this may be a bit hit and miss, until you get to know the shape and feel in your hand AND gloves may further complicate this.

So be aware that if the volume seems to drop suddenly = User has finger over the speaker :-)  
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 08:44 »
Did you try the supertune trick on a $2 coin?
In our local parks if my Garrett pointer cannot find it while tuned up i just leave it. I have some elastic hanging from the end cap with a small brass washer attached but short enough to be out of the receive area.
Good to see the 35 works on small gold. Nothing worse than watching blokes go through handfull after handfull of dirt waving it over a coil when a pointer would show the target easily.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2017, 11:42 »
I hate the term SuperTune as it actually De tunes the field.

But that is the Eng and physics talking lol.

Any magnetic / electrical field can be distorted... and as it used a tuned coil and rod, when you introduce a reactive object the fields will alter shape.  Thus when you introduce said object from one side you are causing a change to the fields.... and they will bulge.... not exact but simple enough for most.

THE trick is to get the field to bulge but not trigger on the item you are introducing.  

Note.   It is the same for all coils etc and happens ALL THE TIME.

A. You pinpoint an object...  the rear field expands.  That is why the dustance between the rod and windings and cct board is critical.

B.  A watch or rings on you hand using the pinpointer also have an effect.   But due to the design it is usually minimal.  Unless you tweak / push the boundaries..

C.  Same as when using a big coil and you find your pinpointing is off and not stable.   There is an object / mineralisation that is causing a deflection in the field.

It all comes back to understand physics and magnetic fields and how the electronics work when sensing the changes in the fields.   

But over the years i just keep quite as most do not seem to be interested in the detail or facts.   But is you do, it can have very positive outcomes on your hunting.   

Every time i see a pinpointer with an angle worn on the tip... i chuckle to myself and smile..... the sayi g about See one, do one; teach.  Is so true and a reason i do not look at many reviews or utube videos.   It hurst the brain....

End of rant and off the soap box.  People may take offence but Physics and Science are the key.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2017, 12:52 »
Any time you feel the need to rant and, in doing so, impart knowledge, please do!  I am happy to read, try, learn.  Everyone has the option to do the same or 'glaze' over and move to the next 'unread'.  ;):):)
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2017, 12:52 »
Sensitivity is almost over the top... This unit will pick up small sum gram bits of gold...

Thus when you are at Max or even 1 step down; if there are bits of metal about, it can go off on them. Your Detector will not; but this pointer will AND you may think it is FALSING... But it is not. Also try not to have any rings or a watch on the hand using the pointer as that could also impact on sensitivity...

I was picking up items much deeper than b4 but that also means targeting the item is a tad harder as the field sense is broad and not  like the a taper on the Deteknix.  But to be expected as totally different size rod for the coil wingdings. 

Also very loud, I will be hunting with no sound or use tape to dull the sound. The speaker is set up so that you can put your finger over the speaker BUT of a night... Do not think you can be sneaky if the Sound is on.

This pointer may frustrate some; but due to its performance, you need to learn how to use it.

After 10 min in my yard, I was getting a bit peeved but then my yard is full of ash and screws and lead head nails and a couple of old fire pits...  Needless to say my wife almost tossed a full can of beans at me. She was at the other end of the house but the beeping was getting on her nerves.   

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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2017, 13:07 »
Any time you feel the need to rant and, in doing so, impart knowledge, please do!  I am happy to read, try, learn.  Everyone has the option to do the same or 'glaze' over and move to the next 'unread'.  ;):):)

LOL  one of my best mates and long term fishing buddy is a Science and Maths nutter and is into Neural Networking of the brain...  While lots of the detail he goes into is just every day speech for him; some of it is way over my head.  And I will not go into our discussions of Ethics / Morals etc.   I also have a number of friends in Law; from newly qualified to barristers and DPP.   And it just gets frustrating that modern technology, while leading to many great advances; also seems to have a greater propensity to dumb a great many down.   So much rubbish gets promoted as Fact...    And when it comes to Physics and Electronics; I see so much on MD pages and other forums including Coffee ( my first love) I just cringe or never go back...

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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2017, 13:34 »
Re reply 12,does altering the field shape by placing a metal object on the side gain much detect distance on a coin.
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2017, 14:03 »
Re reply 12,does altering the field shape by placing a metal object on the side gain much detect distance on a coin.
Have not fully tested; but a quick check in air it seems to push out about an extra 5mm.  But I was using a rubber band and a Allan key as a slide.     Then again the size / type of metal and the location of  the Allan key or lump of metal has an effect on the bulge.  It is also not linear and the bulge tilts to one size...

So many variables, and when I was testing (standard setup) in the ground in the yard, the air tests i did and got; are under what it actually can detect in the ground... But all ground is not =

Will do a beach on Wednesday and see how it goes...  As at Full sensitivity in my yard it was almost unusable due to interference and scrap.  And when walking past my shed and the Tvan it would go off..  

It also picks up the small surgical pins in the bone graft in my wrist and no other  pointer or Detector has done that yet...


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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2017, 14:18 »
My brother-in-law is one of the smartest and most knowledgeable people I know and, although he isn't a detectorist, he fully understands the principles of VFlex, FBS,BBS and PI.  However, when I ask for advice or information, I have to constantly remind him he needs to start at Chapter 1, lest I be left behind in total confusion. Once we establish that, he has the ability to explain, in laymans terms, how things work and what pitfalls to avoid.  My point is: When things are explained plainly and without bias, we all can learn something new.  But, plain speaking and lack of bias are what the world lacks.  Which is, I think, your point?
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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2017, 14:37 »
Problem is that with some things the KISS explanation glosses over a number of KEY principles and then people  reference or make up their own detail. AND GET IT WRONG.

The hardest thing for some one that knows the subject and detail is to keep it simple and stay on track.  The best teachers are those that can get "down"to the level of the student.  Yet many can not as to them; what they are talking about is just common understanding etc it is hard to realise that many have NFI.

Thus I like to Demonstrate and Draw pictures as it is so much more effective and students retain it...  But I detest UTUBE other than one person, and so many do not get him, but should be used in all Electronic / Electrical training..  

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Re: Minelab Profind 35
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2017, 21:33 »
Audio Check>

Profind  35 sound at 30cm  approx 65db at 50cm  55db and at 5cm 78db

Profind 25 sound  at 30cm  approx  58db at  50cm 46db and at 5cm  66db

So some good improvements at 50cm being arms length with a 10db improvement...  But it is not just the volume but a slight tone change..  Then again, every one has different hearing. 
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