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The moral of the story is....
« on: May 25, 2018, 18:55 »
don't get your cool finds published in the newspaper...

https://www.lakesmail.com.au/story/5152835/relics-of-costly-night-on-the-drink-in-1800s-photos/

Any chap who hunts in NSW better get their permits! :P

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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2018, 08:00 »
Interesting story. We have had changes here since November. I think Trevor P has posted the link to the new Vic heritage rules. Probably lost in Resources.
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2018, 08:27 »
Very interesting. Sounds like a great site.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 08:29 by Dustman5000 »
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2018, 09:05 »
A number of questions remain unanswered, and unfortunately, if those questions are pursued by an over zealous individual, a whole plethora of pandora "nasties" could be unearthed..(excuse the pun)

for example the article says:

"if you are excavating".....does detecting come under that category?....what constitutes an excavation?...If Mrs X,  (who, while  gardening in her back yard,)  finds a lost ring from a previous land occupier...is she considered to be "excavating" her garden bed? 

"all archaeological sites in NSW are protected"....does that refer to the Australian National Heritage List of "sites"..the state list of recognised "archaeological sites"... local Council heritage places...or all three? ...or any place where an historical "relic" is unearthed (including places in the middle of no-where, ...places where we, as detectorists, seem to be found more than often than not!  ?

"The Heritage Act requires that a person who has discovered a "relic" must notify the Heritage Council".....that's a bit like when I asked the local police ...am I required to declare all finds found on the local beach...including modern coins  ...to which the answer was "ALL FINDS" ......

And so the circle of legal and sensible obligations never meet....the onus is on the individual detectorist....the article finishes with words that should resonate with every detectorist...."these items belong to the community"....or perhaps, in a different scenario... these items belong to the land owner....or as recently told on the forum...this military  tag belongs to........and, ....a constant challenge to those who find recently lost jewelry..."this item has been lost by........

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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2018, 10:47 »
A number of questions remain unanswered, and unfortunately, if those questions are pursued by an over zealous individual, a whole plethora of pandora "nasties" could be unearthed..(excuse the pun)





 
Agree 1000% with this.  Bureaucracy only reacts when prompted.  Use common sense, stay under the radar and we can all enjoy this 'hobby' for years to come.
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2018, 10:48 »
Again, a need for a good, easy to find, read 'Resources Section', wouldn't have a clue where to start looking for TP's post.>:(
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2018, 22:31 »
And if you like double-speak or gobbledy gook, read this:

156   Offences against this Act and the regulations
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(1)  Where any matter or thing is by or under this Act, other than by or under the regulations, directed or forbidden to be done, or where the Minister, the Heritage Council or any other person or body is authorised by or under this Act, other than by or under the regulations, to direct any matter or thing to be done, or to forbid any matter or thing to be done, and that matter or thing if so directed to be done remains undone, or if so forbidden to be done is done, a person offending against that direction or prohibition shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.

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(2)  Where any matter or thing is by or under the regulations directed or forbidden to be done, or where the Minister, the Heritage Council or any other person or body is authorised by the regulations to direct any matter or thing to be done, or to forbid any matter or thing to be done, and that matter or thing if so directed to be done remains undone, or if so forbidden to be done is done, a person offending against that direction or prohibition shall be guilty of an offence against the regulations.

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(3)  Nothing in subsection (1) or (2) applies in respect of a direction given under this Act by the Minister to the Heritage Council.
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2018, 22:45 »
Anyone have a definition of a "relic" for NSW?   eg.  Number of years?  Is there actually a legislative definition?  I understood to stay away from defined heritage areas.  But am a little perplexed with how broad this seems.
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2018, 23:14 »
And if you like double-speak or gobbledy gook, read this:

156   Offences against this Act and the regulations
WTF!!!
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2018, 14:35 »
Does that info from 14FNX make sense to anyone. Got no idea what there on about
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2018, 15:52 »
Carry on up the Khyber. No disrespect to rangers,but none of them will be able to decipher and apply that B/S.
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2018, 19:40 »
I think it is designed to be interpreted any way they see fit.

Mike.
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Re: The moral of the story is....
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2018, 07:44 »
Like the Vic maps they issue, no details or reference points. When i pointed out that Parks had put a sign 50 metres from where their flora reserve actually started they said that Google maps was not Parks approved.
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