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Title: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: bicter on September 01, 2017, 15:21
This article speaks for itself.
https://m.qt.com.au/news/needless-damage-anger-over-treatment-of-sports-fie/3218554/
We will all be tarred with the same brush due to ignorant people that can't read and obey the private property and keep out signs.
To say I'm pissed off is an understatement as the majority of my detecting is carried out around Ipswich. 
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: gldfvr on September 01, 2017, 15:29
If they find out who it is they should be named and shamed , as well as repairing the damage done .
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Justafisho on September 01, 2017, 17:01
There is a fertiliser about that has small bits of metal in it. It makes detecting almost impossible. I've come across it in paddocks before. They need some of that, in fact I'm heading to the area  tomorrow I might find out what it is and pas it on to them. Unfortunately there is always an element that will jump fences and break laws. I'm constantly surprised at just who actually will jump fences.

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Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Sambo on September 02, 2017, 10:24
Okay, might ruffle a few feathers, but here goes...

Firstly, it wasn't me.  I do know the area and have detected there a few years ago.  Haven't been there recently, but to my knowledge there are no fences, and as the article alludes, you really wouldn't pick it as private propery, it really does look like a council park.

However, common sense takes over when you detect a site like this. There are plenty of 'rough' areas around the peripherals of the main grounds to keep most happy, no need at all to go onto the main manicured areas.  You should be able to leave a site like this with absolutely no evidence you've ever been there. 

Obviously, as is becoming more common, someone with poor technique and/or a blatant disregard about long term consequences, has taken the easy path for short term gain.  It really pisses me off too.

I'll put my hand up and say I'm not a deadset stickler for the rules, I'll take an opportunity when I see one, but I never damage property in this way and have been successfully flying 'under the radar' for many years now.  Purely and simply, common sense must dictate what we do.  It's a shame that some people just don't have any....

Sambo
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: ivanll on September 02, 2017, 12:00
Is there any evidence that it was prospectors (as in plural) or are they just guessing and jumping to conclusions. ???

There are ways to be sure  one is not falsely accusing someone/body.

Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Detectist on September 02, 2017, 12:25
As more and more people come into the hobby and do not join forums such as this to learn a bit of etiquette then there will be more and more instances.

It'd be nice for MD sellers/manufacturers to perhaps include a leaflet with a few central do's and don'ts.  Perhaps some do already??? 
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Tasrog on September 02, 2017, 14:36
As more and more people come into the hobby and do not join forums such as this to learn a bit of etiquette then there will be more and more instances.

It'd be nice for MD sellers/manufacturers to perhaps include a leaflet with a few central do's and don'ts.  Perhaps some do already???

All the detectors I have bought ( funny that I was only going to ever buy 1 :D  ) have the rules and etiquette in the instruction manual. Stupid place to put it really, after all who reads those things  ;)
Roger
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Rwork on September 02, 2017, 15:29
Minelab was paying the joining fee for the PMAV 3 or 4 years ago i think. A good start for info and hints.
 I had a bloke ring me today for info on how to find the goldfields. I asked where he was and all he could tell me was he was in a Chinese shop in Bendigo. He had made his way from Gippsland without knowing where to go. Ebay detector and no idea on how to set it up.  These are the blokes who will detect on private property because they don't know any better.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: bicter on September 02, 2017, 16:39
Okay, might ruffle a few feathers, but here goes...

Firstly, it wasn't me.  I do know the area and have detected there a few years ago.  Haven't been there recently, but to my knowledge there are no fences, and as the article alludes, you really wouldn't pick it as private propery, it really does look like a council park.

However, common sense takes over when you detect a site like this. There are plenty of 'rough' areas around the peripherals of the main grounds to keep most happy, no need at all to go onto the main manicured areas.  You should be able to leave a site like this with absolutely no evidence you've ever been there.  

Obviously, as is becoming more common, someone with poor technique and/or a blatant disregard about long term consequences, has taken the easy path for short term gain.  It really pisses me off too.

I'll put my hand up and say I'm not a deadset stickler for the rules, I'll take an opportunity when I see one, but I never damage property in this way and have been successfully flying 'under the radar' for many years now.  Purely and simply, common sense must dictate what we do.  It's a shame that some people just don't have any....

Sambo
Sambo, 

I'm the same as you, have been in for a swing a couple of years ago but wasn't too excited with the results.
The area has been fenced for at least as long as I've lived in the area (3 years) and does have private property  and keep out signs.  Hmmm, just had a quick look on street view and can't see the signs that I recall being io the main road but they are existing at the end joyce st
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Oceandog on September 02, 2017, 22:43
I agree with you too Sambo.
With care and diligence we can detect anywhere without leaving any discernable damage.
A quality detector, a pinpointer and a screwdriver leave little or no marks in manicured areas. I have demonstarated this method a couple of times to Rangers and Landowners and been allowed to detect in some great areas. This is one of the reasons why i have been allowed to detect in the caravan/camping spotsrecently.
I really think this is the work of either someone young and impatient or someone who has brought a cheap detector from somewher like ALDI.


 
Okay, might ruffle a few feathers, but here goes...

Firstly, it wasn't me.  I do know the area and have detected there a few years ago.  Haven't been there recently, but to my knowledge there are no fences, and as the article alludes, you really wouldn't pick it as private propery, it really does look like a council park.

However, common sense takes over when you detect a site like this. There are plenty of 'rough' areas around the peripherals of the main grounds to keep most happy, no need at all to go onto the main manicured areas.  You should be able to leave a site like this with absolutely no evidence you've ever been there.  

Obviously, as is becoming more common, someone with poor technique and/or a blatant disregard about long term consequences, has taken the easy path for short term gain.  It really pisses me off too.

I'll put my hand up and say I'm not a deadset stickler for the rules, I'll take an opportunity when I see one, but I never damage property in this way and have been successfully flying 'under the radar' for many years now.  Purely and simply, common sense must dictate what we do.  It's a shame that some people just don't have any....

Sambo
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: tassie on September 04, 2017, 09:58
As more and more people come into the hobby and do not join forums such as this to learn a bit of etiquette then there will be more and more instances.

I'm new to the hobby and still awaiting delivery of my first detector. I joined this forum specifically to learn from experts such things as etiquette, tips, tools, etc. before my first outing.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: ANT1967 on September 04, 2017, 10:28
Is there any other photos with the article ?

The photo shown could relate to varied reasons why that divot has occurred .
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Justafisho on September 04, 2017, 15:16
I had no idea what vigoro was until I googled it. Strange sounding sport. Very small player group. 
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Mossop on September 04, 2017, 21:55
Its a pity that people are prepared to do this, especially on areas that are obviously looked after quite well. I personally can't stand anyone making a mess, whether it be in a park, fishing garbage left behind on the rocks or anywhere.

I am not highly experienced, but with a decent tool can cut a nice plug and put it back so its almost indiscernible. I have been back a week or 2 after detecting and have not been able to tell where the holes were I dug.

Doesn't take much. Same sort of people who leave bait bags on the rocks, bottles on the ground and beer cartons full of rubbish at roadside stops.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: 6666 on September 05, 2017, 12:29
How do we know this news report is true and it was caused by somebody with a MD ?
For all we know it could have been a wombat, or a rabid greenie just out to spoil somebody's fun.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: ivanll on September 05, 2017, 16:00
Is it an advertising for Escape Travel.

Perhaps there is a degree of Munchausen syndrome.?..... the media is always happy to report a story without knowing the truth... just ask the current 2017 President of USA.

"they are upset at the way certain visitors have treated their playing fields"

We had the same trouble in a particular open park in Townsville many years ago, lost of different sports were played there.
It was expected that metal detector users were responsible, until one park inspector observed a golfer in action practicing his excavating club swings.

ivanll
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: bicter on September 06, 2017, 20:00
How do we know this news report is true and it was caused by somebody with a MD ?
For all we know it could have been a wombat, or a rabid greenie just out to spoil somebody's fun.
Regardless,
The news report has been published and the public image has been damaged already!
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Trigon on September 08, 2017, 10:30
If I was closer I would go help fix it. Doesn't matter what rabid animal did it, were being pointed at, and I dont think any of us want that.  Set up camera traps and get the dingo that did it.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: bicter on September 08, 2017, 17:05
If I was closer I would go help fix it. Doesn't matter what rabid animal did it, were being pointed at, and I dont think any of us want that.  Set up camera traps and get the dingo that did it.
If I was at home I'd consider it but atm am driving to Perth for 6 week holiday. Currently approaching Cocklebiddy.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: maat on September 11, 2017, 01:11
If I was closer I would go help fix it. Doesn't matter what rabid animal did it, were being pointed at, and I dont think any of us want that. Set up camera traps and get the dingo that did it.

never mind.. 
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: AngerManagement on September 11, 2017, 18:28
Had a few calls from Ipswich Council - Apparently a few people have taken to saying they have Club permission to detect some places, when they get pulled up.

We have advised the Council that the BMDC does not have any permission as such to detect and recover in their parks and to treat any such claims as rubbish and to apply what ever penalties may apply.

Not only do they like to advertise their poor skills but think it is good to drag a reg club down in the dirt as well.
Mark
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: douglas on September 11, 2017, 19:35
What is wrong with people, it seems this hobby has attracted the chest beating I can do anything I like, types lately, I'm getting very sick of the crap that is going on, had a heritage park raped near me not long ago for a few coins that are near worthless except for scrap value and it doesn't seem the people are remotely concerned with history or doing the right thing.
More interested in promoting what detector they use and seeking accolades from other people
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Trigon on September 12, 2017, 20:26
Good reminder for me. You guys have not heard from me for ages. I just moved into a little town (and mum has a to do list a mile long) but I have run the detector over the front yard. I got a 1901 first Parliament medal which I promised to the local historical society. There open tomorrow so have to made a special trip in. 
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: werewolf on September 13, 2017, 14:19
What is wrong with people, it seems this hobby has attracted the chest beating I can do anything I like, types lately, I'm getting very sick of the crap that is going on, had a heritage park raped near me not long ago for a few coins that are near worthless except for scrap value and it doesn't seem the people are remotely concerned with history or doing the right thing.
More interested in promoting what detector they use and seeking accolades from other people

Agree Douglas, the Facebook detecting pages are full of the new macho detectorists out to impress their 'bro' mates. Night digging seems to encouraged - there is a reason these guys only dig at night. One bloke even had the hide to complain about being kicked out of a school playground DURING school hours! I see damage everywhere I go now. NSW is bone dry at present yet people are still digging plugs in parks and ovals. We have always had dickheads in the hobby but the ratio of dickheads is sadly increasing.
Title: Re: Bad bad bad PR
Post by: Shane-o88 on September 13, 2017, 14:42
Some of us not so bad guys mostly dig at night for several legitimate reasons. For me personally I work full time and have kids so my only free time to swing is at night.