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Tesoro In Australia
« on: December 14, 2013, 11:33 »
Anybody know who is an tesoro distributor for Australia?
 
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 11:49 »
The new dealer is AUSSIE DETECTING & PROSPECTING

http://forum.kimbucktwo.com/index.php/topic,21304.0.html
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 12:07 »
So North East Detctors got shafted by Tesoro and they didn't know it??  :o
Looks like you have got to watch your back if you take on yank metal detectors.
      That sounds very similar to what happened to GMC.  :o
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 13:24 »
That's correct, was with Phil this morning, and he was on the phone to Paul, Paul didn't only found out second hand that it had happened.  I'm sure Phil is going to have a word about what went on.  The detecting market isn't what it used to be, lots of corporate shenanigans going on behind the scenes.  Not really keen to get into the politics of everything as I am but a simple consumer, but the industry here in Australia really seems to be struggling, at the expense of the cashed up parent companies jumping between distributors and dealers to do thy bidding. ::) 
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 14:02 »
That certain dealer had had Tesoro for a couple of months now

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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 20:00 »
I think that Paul's treatment by Tesoro has been very shabby, to say the least.  To do a deal with another dealer, and not inform Paul what was going on is nothing short of despicable.  Now Paul is left with the  situation that his business has been undermined, by his own supplier, without his knowledge or providing him with the ability to communicate with the new  (co)supplier.  I have bought many Tesoro machines over the years, and love the detectors, but I doubt that I will buy any more, not because of the new distributor, but because the parent company seems to have either no scruples or business acumen.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2014, 21:52 »
I sent two emails a few weeks ago to tesoro USA requesting to know who were the official Tesoro distributors in Australia.
I have not received a reply to either email. I have also sent several emails to tesoro over the past few years and have never received a reply. I guess they are on the run down because they have not produced any significant detectors for a number of years now. The LST it seems was their best attempt at a gold detector and the Sand Shark PI lacks refinements like ground balance, pulse time delay adjust, EMI cancel ability and a selection of coil sizes. It can be used in low iron mineral gold fields but the detector lacks sensitivity to small gold. It is good at the beach but that is about all it is good for.The last detector was the Outlaw and it is dead in the water.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2014, 01:33 »
It just seems to be the way things are going with the various manufacturers, Garrett is also guilty of the same thing, just goes to show that there are no friends when it comes to business, and no such thing as loyalty anymore.  So why are prices for Tesoro detectors cheaper on some of the resellers sites versus the website of the official Australian Tesoro distributorship, is this not undercutting the supposed official distributor to the point of putting them out of business?  The politics of selling detectors in Australia does my head in. ::)

Now I know why detector businesses don't have huge amounts of stock in hand in Australia, there is distinct possibility the parent manufacturer could turn around at any moment and relinquish your distributorship for whatever reason, or no reason at all,  leaving you high and dry with thousands of dollars of stock, and no longer with any official backing? ? ?  Can anyone clarify this for me, or am I simply telling fairytales. ???
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2014, 06:41 »
Goldpick, from what I know, I think you have summed things up pretty well.  In the case of Tesoro, without any communication with Paul Knee, Tesoro appointed a new importer and supplier, who is now undercutting on prices.  Makes it pretty hard for the original supplier, who did drop his prices for a good while about 12 months ago (I could stand corrected on the time).  I understand that the same thing has happened with Garrett and Phil in Adelaide.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2014, 16:48 »
On Tesoro.com there is a dealer page http://www.tesoro.com/product/dealers/distint/distint.html, it lists both Paul from North East Metal Detectors
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2014, 07:31 »
Two distributors of the same brand detector being supplied from the same company should not be working in opposition to each other.

One of the questions I asked Tesoro was in regards to the fact that the standard coil  for the LST cannot be replaced with  a different size coil without recalibrating the detector to that coil  when all other manufacturers seem to be able to produce coils of various sizes that are completly compatable with all same model detectors.

That is why I have never put a different size coil on my LST. Tesoro told me that i would have to send the detector to them to have the coil fitted and the detector recalibrated to that coil  :o......Give me a break!!!!
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2014, 09:47 »
Had a chat to Paul the other day and he will be phasing out of Tesro over the next few months.
        David Bishop who pioneered Tesoro in Australia for many years and then  handed the reins to paul about 8 years ago who managed to keep Tesoro going. But the way things are now with on line buying and over pricing of imported detectors here, I can see the writing on the wall for the likes of Whites, Tesoro, Fisher and Garrett in Australia. We are a small market and it is impossible to compete with overseas prices. Some local dealers have too high a mark up.  They need to be retailing high turnover items aside from metal detectors in order to keep the mark up lower on the detectors.....That aint going to happen
In order to sell at competative prices the detectors would have to be supplied to the distributors at  a wholesale price that would allow them to be sold here at realistic prices.
      Even Minelab are having problems  due to low demand and the small market in Australia.
Sorry to see Paul and North east detctos go but hell, if you are beating your head against a wall trying to stay competative when another distributor is hell bent on wiping you out then why tolerate the headaches.
    Enjoy some headache free detecting  Paul. ;D
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2014, 14:59 »
The problem with both Tesoro & Whites, is that they are  "Distributor Poor".  :(

How they expect to sell a quantity of detectors out here, with only one distributor, amazes me, & from a business point of view is an ultimate disaster!  :o

It's no secret that I like my Whites, especially, but their Distributor setup is ridiculous.

Notably, both distributors are in Victoria, which doesn't help us much up here In Qld.

That's why I've recently moved to Minelab for my detectors!

Quick & good service from Brisbane Gold>>>>  ;)
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2014, 16:01 »
I agree. More than one distributor is good but when one  close by starts to undercut another distributors prices in order to snaffle the brand market then when the older distributor has folded you are back where you started. The newbie  prices start to go up and up and people start looking elswhere for an alternative. Plus if the newbie is also a minelab distributor then that is the brand they will have to push ahead of all others, they will have to be seen by minelab to be selling more minelab detectors above all others and minelab advertising will have to dominate the shop displays otherwise they will lose the minelab distributorship.

Tesoro did what they did because they just want to sell more detectors here, they did not give any thought at at all and cared even less as to how their decision would affect the existing distributor.

Garrett did exactly the same thing to the GMC.

Watch your back Whites distributor. 
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2014, 12:17 »
Had a chat to Paul the other day and he will be phasing out of Tesro over the next few months.       

A stab in the back!..
I have never met Paul, but have spoken to him a couple of times on the phone....ALWAYS very helpful, and honest

It's a sad day when grass-roots people are mowed over :(

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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 22:47 »
Let's not forget that the little Tesoro machines are one of the best "switch on and go" detectors around.
Prices are good & they are so light & easy to operate.

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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2014, 08:23 »
I agree that tesoro's VLFs are simple, light weight and easy to operate. But their ground penetrating power is not all that flash in the disc modes and that is where the coin and relic hunters want max depth capability.
Tesoro needs a multi frequency VLF discriminator and a new high end gold detector.

The sand Shark PI is  very good at the beach (Mine has nudged my Infinium aside) and it can handle some low iron mineralised gold fields without being too noisy but as a goldfield machine it lacks sensitivity to small gold  and it needs a range of interchangable coils and  pulse delay control an EMI control and a ground balance control that will not reduce the detectors sensitivity to metal as the ground minerals increase.
Garrett has improved the Infinium out of sight with the ATX so why does Tesoro not do some improvements to the sand Shark.
Sure the coin and relic detector market is far larger than the gold detector market so maybe Tesoro say  why bother with that side of the market.
detectors like the technetics,Fisher  Gold bugs (digital), even the Snoops and Bounty Hunters can match the tesoro VLF TRs for All Metal Mode depth and Discrimination in normal ground conditions.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2014, 08:59 »
I agree that tesoro's VLFs are simple, light weight and easy to operate. But their ground penetrating power is not all that flash in the disc modes

I will go with Meggie's comment..having used the lower, oldest and highest end of the Tesoro range...

I would however, have to disagree with your suggestion that the Tesoro" ground penetration is not all that flash"...I have a test bed in my back yard, and the Tesoro Cibola can match my 3030 on all signals except one half silver threepence at 7 inches in a sand based lawn. .... with the Cibola sensativity set to Max, the signal JUST comes in....the 3030 also has to be "played with" at maximum settings to receive a "diggable" signal....So I do beg to differ on your assumption...

Having said that, I DO agree with you about a Tesoro multi frequency machine...I'd be the first to buy one !..I'd swap my 3030 for one at the drop of a hat...just knowing how good the Tesoro brand is!

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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2014, 14:47 »
:( observation. 

If you haven't earned it..... can't buy it..... then you simply connive and bully your way.  :o

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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2014, 00:43 »

The last detector was the Outlaw and it is dead in the water.

Do tell :) I'd like to know how my Outlaw is doa.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2014, 07:38 »
I didn't say DOA (Dead On Arrival). I said Dead in the water. Meaning plenty in the system/market place but not many selling.
The Tejon & the LST are concidered By Tesoro to be their Flag Ship detectors. How old is the LST?.... It is ancient and the Tejon  :o This design metal detector has been around since Noah was a boy. Tesoro NEED to move forward. They can keep their turn knob adjusters and surface mount tech but they need a high end multi frequency Discriminating VLF beach
detector and a new gold field PI or at least a beach PI with Time delay adjust, EMI cancel Sensitivity and ground balance and a selection of coil sizes.
I like tesoro metal detectors but they are gradually slipping behind the pack and soon even the Chinese cheapies will be pushing them out of the way.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2014, 09:28 »
I have to agree with you Adrian.  I love my Tesoros (I have 4, and have had others that I dont have now).  Tesoro do need a good machine for the beach, whether it is VLF or multi-frequency, whatever, but they need something to keep up with the rest of the market.  One of my best beach hunting machines is my Eldorado (Umax), but it has been pushed aside (to a degree) by my Gold Bug Pro, which, in all metal in the dry sand is as good as my Excal II for depth, plus I have a cursor to watch on the screen to ID targets.  Looking at one of the US forums, Tesoro are bringing out a new offering, but I have no idea what it is designed for.  Thanks to Paul, I was able to use the Outlaw for a while, and I really liked the machine, but I hope this new machine coming out is just that....NEW.
  • Detector(s) owned/used: Minelab, Fisher, Tesoro, Teknetics,Whites, Garrett
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 23:30 »
Hi Guys i,ve owned many tesoro detectors over the years.  David Bishop in WODONGA was a true gentleman . He would  be turning in his grave knowing what is happening at THE MOMENT . I wouldn,t swap  MY CORTES OR TOLTEC 2  for any other brand .So lightweight easy to use detector with very good depth in non mineralised soil. The cortes paid for itself 3 times over but does has limitations . i,d love tesoro to build a detector which can handle our mineralisation for coin hunting. saying that i use A whites mxt to find coins in mineralised ground.But the lightweight tesoro really helps when swinging for hours.Long live Tesoro!.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2014, 06:37 »
Skippyandtiger, I certainly endorse your comments about David, he was a true gentleman.  I know that he tried to get Tesoro to adjust and calibrate the machines they sent over here to our conditions and our coins, but he had no luck.  I think the Dingo was supposed to be "our" machine, but I dont know whether it was different to other Tesoros or just a re-badged something else.
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Re: Tesoro In Australia
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2014, 18:09 »
I lost my cox 3030 in a fire and, will only do beaches in the future. (Body to Buggered for dirt)
Hips!
Thinking about a  Silver Umax for dry sand and, maybe a Sand shark for wet sand?
I will buy in Australia if I can but, import if the dollar difference is too great.
  • Detector(s) owned/used: Tesoro Silver Umax & Vibra Quatic 2 Pinpointer
  • Oldest find: 1921 6pence
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