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Groats (4d coins) that have been unearthed.
« on: May 24, 2012, 20:19 »
Basically this thread would involve all our groat finds that we have made. Being a rare find in itself I think we all have a passion of finding one and adding it to our ever growing collection.

From the reigns of Charles II to George III, groats (by now often known as fourpences) were issued on an irregular basis for general circulation, the only years of mintage after 1786 being in 1792, 1795, and 1800. After this the only circulating issues were from 1836 to 1855, with proofs known from 1857 and 1862 and a colonial issue of 1888. These last coins had the weight further reduced to about 27 grains (1.9 grams) and were the same diameter as the silver threepenny pieces of the day although thicker. They also had Britannia on the reverse, while all other silver fourpenny pieces since the reign of William and Mary have had a crownednumeral "4" as the reverse, including the silver fourpenny Maundy money coins of the present. Some groats continued to circulate in Scotland until the 20th century.

I'll start it off with my two groat finds which where basically in the same vicinity located in a park dating back to the 1830's.

First one is dated 1847 and is badly worn. It was found at approximate 5" down and seems it was once warn as a pendant or good luck charm.

Second one is dated 1837 and is in reasonable good Nick for its age. Found around the 8" mark.


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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 20:47 »
Groats have been around since Edward I new coinage of 1279. Here is one from Henry VI around 1430...ish. No dates on English coinage till the mid 1550s.

Pinched the pic as I don't have any with me at the moment.  ;D
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 20:48 »
Here's my two,there on the forum somewhere.

1855 found : 9/12/10         1836 found : 23/11/11

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groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 21:38 »
Yes there is something special about landing a groat . Here are the three iv found 1839 , 1842 , 1854 . The 54 is the pic of the bunch ,has faired the underworld well and the year the famous Ned Kelly was born , or was it 55 mmmm ????
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 09:33 »
Hi all,
Here is an 1845 groat that I found last in October  last year.  Its very worn.  I thought it was a 3d when I found it  and it was not until I put the hand lens on it, after it was cleaned, that I saw the word "four" and realised I had something a bit different.
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 11:05 »
What awesome coins!
They are something different and now i want one for my collection.
Thanks for sharing and making a dedicated post for them.
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 11:26 »
I had not realised they were so small. Do their signals equal other common signals?

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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 13:41 »
Pictured is my 1843 Groat with a florin 110 years newer.
So far we have  1836,1837,1839,1842,1843,1845,1847,1854,1855.

                         Spanners  1847 and 1837
                         Meggie's   1855 and 1836
                        Ckooksta   1854,1842 and 1839
                         Jacko         1845
                         Rwork       1843
                         Nsc.           1837 and 1836,1860
                         Tinpan.       1837

All different dates so far, Someone may like to update the list as we go on.
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2012, 19:39 »
2x ...
1836 pretty knocked about ...28th june 2011
1837 holed but nice...Late Oct 2011

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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 19:57 »
hi this one was found resently 1837 with a kings head
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 21:09 »
Groat No.3 found 15-6-12
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its the design without Britannia
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2012, 23:16 »
My first Groat found in the UK is Victorian and dated 1844




My second is also Victorian, but dated a little earlier at 1839




I hope my third coin qualifies to be in this section - it's a Half-Groat of Henry VIII and can be dated to between 1526 and 1544


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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 20:04 »
While we were gold prospecting yesterday a friend found an 1838 groat. He thought it was a 3d till somone looked closer.

So far we have  1836,1837,1838 1839,1842,1843,1844,1845,1846,1847,1853,1854,1855,1860

                         Spanners  1847 and 1837
                         Meggie's   1855 and 1836
                        Ckooksta   1854,1842 and 1839
                         Jacko         1845
                         Rwork       1843
                         Nsc.           1837 and 1836,1860
                         Tinpan.       1837
                         JohnUK       1839,1844 (and a 1500's half groat.)
     Rworks club member Ron. 1838
                       Marksman   1853 54 46 42
 

 Someone may like to update the list as we go on.
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 13:36 »
Another groat that came from the same site as the one above. Picture was sent to me and date is unclear. 184 something
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2012, 20:40 »
Hi ray I have been looking at the coins that i have found while out with the bpc and discovered that I have an 1854 groat never knew a thing about them until I joined this forum.. I will have to study up and put some finds up on the site , I will bring it with me this weekend. I think that I better take a bit more care with what I find 
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2012, 21:35 »
Thanks Lex,i will put its picture up and give you a run down on picture posting.
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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2012, 21:51 »
These six tiny little buggers.

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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2013, 02:58 »
Groats have been around since Edward I new coinage of 1279. Here is one from Henry VI around 1430...ish. No dates on English coinage till the mid 1550s.

Pinched the pic as I don't have any with me at the moment.  ;D

There may be a slight misunderstanding with the terminology here if you dont mind me saying ,, a Groat s a Groat , a coin which is in such bad condition is referred to as a  Grot slang word , as is grotty , most grotts I find are Roman with hardly any definition , but could be any coin of any age that is really worn.... hope that helps............

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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2013, 14:03 »
A bit bent 1841

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2013, 15:04 »



So far we have  1836,1837,1838 1839,1841,1842,1843,1844,1845,1846,1847,1853,1854,1855,1860

                         Spanners  1847 and 1837
                         Meggie's   1855 and 1836
                        Ckooksta   1854,1842 and 1839
                         Jacko         1845
                         Rwork       1843
                         Nsc.           1837 and 1836,1860
                         Tinpan.       1837
                         JohnUK       1839,1844 (and a 1500's half groat.)
     Rworks club member Ron. 1838
                       Marksman   1853 54 46 42    Dates supplied later.
                       Jims gold      1841

 Someone may like to update the list as we go on. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 15:06 »
Was an 1840 made ?
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 16:35 »
According to "coins of the UK" website..... YES.
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2013, 21:28 »
Here is my first Groat and pretty happy with it's condition  ;D

New exactly what I had as I gave it a wipe on the reverse side first, there was a sharp Britannia there, wow did I get a nice shock  ::)
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2013, 21:31 »
So far we have  1836,1837,1838 1839,1841,1842,1843,1844,1845,1846,1847,1853,1854,1855,1860

                         Spanners  1847 and 1837
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                        Ckooksta   1854,1842 and 1839
                        Jacko         1845
                        Rwork        1843
                        Nsc.           1837 and 1836,1860
                        Tinpan.      1837
                        JohnUK      1839,1844 (and a 1500's half groat.)
                        Rworks club member Ron. 1838
                        Marksman   1853 54 46 42    Dates supplied later.
                        Jims gold     1841
                        Wilphil         1843

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Re: groats that have been unearthed
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2013, 15:26 »
1843 four pence. Found 23/4/2013
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