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Help with button ID
« on: August 25, 2017, 16:57 »
Hi all, cleaning up some finds and discovered this button may have a bit more history than I first thought...... should wear my glasses more often.
Looking at text with a loupe, I can sort of make out nse dieuet mondndh - google in its wisdom seems to think the nse may be part of pense, dieuet is probably dieu et and mondndh is probably mon droit.
More research shows Dieu et mon droit meaning God and my right is the motto of the Monarch of the United Kingdom outside Scotland. 
.... and more research shows it's the standard royal coat of arms, but am unable to determine who may have used it in the Ipswich area 😐
Is anyone able to assist in identifying who would have worn it and the approximate era?

Linkback: http://forum.kimbucktwo.com/index.php?topic=31765.0
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 20:47 »
Looks like a British General Service button.  They seem to turn up over here every now and again. 

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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2017, 16:06 »
Thanks Sambo,
I posted in haste when I discovered I had found it then quickly found more information on it.
Good to know it was military/ general dervices use.
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2017, 16:39 »
Have a look at the crown. If it's a queens then its late 1800's. If a King then normally WW 1 era
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 20:41 »
Have a look at the crown. If it's a queens then its late 1800's. If a King then normally WW 1 era
Ok, I'll play your game 😂 How do I tell which is which?
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 21:02 »
Ok, I'll play your game 😂 How do I tell which is which?

Concave crown is Queens - rounded crown is King.
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2017, 07:24 »
Thanks Dutchy,
The crown is rounded so a "Kings Crown" so possibly Ww1, though more likely to be WW2 given the area it was found.
Is this possible?
Were they used in WW2 as well?
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2017, 08:34 »
Dutchy, Thats a really interesting fact. I love learning stuff like that. It certainly helps to know these things when IDing finds. Where did you learn about it?

Concave crown is Queens - rounded crown is King.
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2017, 15:33 »
Thanks Dutchy,
The crown is rounded so a "Kings Crown" so possibly Ww1, though more likely to be WW2 given the area it was found.
Is this possible?
Were they used in WW2 as well?

In WW2 the British Army went back to regimental buttons. I have read that due to shortages some recruits were issued the WW1 tunics w/ the General Service Buttons.
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Re: Help with button ID
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2017, 15:37 »
Dutchy, Thats a really interesting fact. I love learning stuff like that. It certainly helps to know these things when IDing finds. Where did you learn about it?

Not an official difference but when ID'ing finds in Australia its a good reference point. Queen Vicky had the concave crown and all the male monarchs had the rounded crown.  Here is some info.



There are no strict rules regarding the changes in crown design used in a Royal cypher, nor is there a King's Crown used for male monarchs as opposed to a Queen's Crown for female monarchs. The cypher design changes, as does that of the coat of arms, upon the accession of a new monarch, and the new cypher is always different from the preceding monarch's. The design change may include the adjustment of the shape of the crown to distinguish the cyphers.

 One discernible trend is that sovereigns named Edward - Edward VII and Edward VIII, for example - have tended to use St. Edward's Crown in their Cyphers, by virtue of the name association.

 During Victoria's reign, the design of the cypher was not standardised and so there were variations in the shape of the crown featured in different media during her long reign.


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 http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/crowns.htm
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Re: Help with button ID
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