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Those damn Brown Buggers
« on: April 14, 2017, 21:56 »
Evening all,

I have a question about brown buggers......How do you tell them apart from other coppers???

I realize there is the size difference, but depth comes into play(a deep penny and a shallow 2c coin can sound similar). As does the fact that a halfpenny and a 2c coin are very close in size. There is also the issue that a 1c coin can range in VDI, and therefore sound. My motto is to just dig it all. But there are some places where the fewer holes the better. I've heard stories of people being able to leave them in the ground, but how can that be done???

Can't wait for the new XP pinpointer, I paid for it yesterday. Coincidentally, my TRX, digger and finds bag all got stolen last night(along with a few other things from my vehicle). It will be interesting for them trying to get rid of that lot 

Thanks in advance
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 22:07 »
I have found they usually come in at slightly different numbers to pennies and other copper....  most of the time :D
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 22:37 »
I think most experienced swingers can usually pick them before they dig them - but do anyway just to be sure. On coin rich sites they can and do mask deeper targets. On the Etrac 12.45 is almost guaranteed to be a 2c coin, however the 1c can hover between 12.39 and 12.43 - the same as a full silver threepence or even a half penny. I dig them all regardless, I think I get some sort of perverted joy in removing them from the ground!


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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 23:03 »
Haha. Agreed on the perveted joy in removal. 40 or 50 in a sitting can be sad though. 
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2017, 15:52 »
I always smile to myself when someone says they can 100% predict a BB and cherry pick.  Just means more predecs in the ground for me  :D.

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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2017, 19:04 »
If the area is old enough for pre decs you would be silly to think  you can tell a brown bugger from a pre dec.   On the Explorer, E-Trac and CTX a 2 cent piece reads and sounds just like a florin. As mentioned the 1 cent pieces bounce around with the numbers.  I only ignore the brown buggers when I'm working a post 1966 site and looking for goldies.  Even then ignoring what I think are brown buggers could mean the loss of some nice silver rings.

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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2017, 20:29 »
Thanks mate, luckily I took the Deus out to charge it. It's my own stupid fault, I think I accidentally must have unlocked it at some point, as I'm positive I locked it as I left.

I'm glad I'm getting the same answer from all. I was really starting to worry I couldn't figure out how to tell. I can seem to tell when it's a big silver, but all coppers sound similar. 

I'll just keep digging it all. 
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2017, 15:14 »
When I hunted in Canberra with Dutchy, Willo, Snoopy and Ecto I could not believe the amount of BBs in the ground down there, the highest ratio I have seen anywhere. No wonder you are digging 40-50 per session! Hopefully the good stuff makes up for them.
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2017, 15:37 »
Most of the time you'll pull a few pre decs out. It's sad when you don't and just get bb's. 
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2017, 21:52 »
Finding heaps of BBs is just an indication that nobody has detected there for the last 25 years, or ever.
I love it when I get heaps of BBs cause I know there will be good stuff there as well.
And apart from anything else....each is worth far more than their face value as scrap copper. If your finding that many then there will be quite a few bucks coming your way when you take them, along with your stuffed pennies etc to the scrap yard.

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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2017, 22:07 »
I find they are smaller and have 1 or a 2 marked on them  ;D
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 22:24 »
I find they are smaller and have 1 or a 2 marked on them  ;D
Hehe. There's always 1. 
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 07:38 »
I can't help it , if i have a good signal like that , i dig it regardless ,  i would hate to pass a good coin on a maybe ! Gazza .
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2017, 10:25 »
I find they are smaller and have 1 or a 2 marked on them  ;D
  Just keep taking the MEDICATION........  Lex

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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2017, 11:33 »
Sorry to hear about your gear being stolen mate.
I feel your pain in regards to the brown buggers i have been digging literally hundreds of them in the caravan parks. Mind you i have been getting a large amount of pre dec as well. i still dig everything, the ids and tones between some junk and great coins are just toooo close.
On another line of thought has anyone got any ideas of what to do with hundreds of brown buggers??
Evening all,

I have a question about brown buggers......How do you tell them apart from other coppers???

I realize there is the size difference, but depth comes into play(a deep penny and a shallow 2c coin can sound similar). As does the fact that a halfpenny and a 2c coin are very close in size. There is also the issue that a 1c coin can range in VDI, and therefore sound. My motto is to just dig it all. But there are some places where the fewer holes the better. I've heard stories of people being able to leave them in the ground, but how can that be done???

Can't wait for the new XP pinpointer, I paid for it yesterday. Coincidentally, my TRX, digger and finds bag all got stolen last night(along with a few other things from my vehicle). It will be interesting for them trying to get rid of that lot

Thanks in advance
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 20:37 »
I tend to use the older BB's as indicators for predecimals.  Only takes a moment to check out the dates to realise that if you are picking up early 60's coins, then there is a good chance of predecimals in the area - especially if unsure on the past history of the area.

Relying on depth of the BB's as indications of true grading of coins in the soil doesn't always ring true, I've had many predecimals sitting shallower than the BB's - something about smaller coins working their way deeper than larger ones, much like with the smaller silvers do.

Essentially if it is a high conductor coin sized target - it's coming out of the ground regardless.  At least it sort of keeps you amused between more desirable finds.

Aside from that, aren't Victorians meant to be leaving BB's in the ground these days, being over 50 years old? ;D
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2017, 21:14 »
I tend to use the older BB's as indicators for predecimals.  Only takes a moment to check out the dates to realise that if you are picking up early 60's coins, then there is a good chance of predecimals in the area - especially if unsure on the past history of the area.

Relying on depth of the BB's as indications of true grading of coins in the soil doesn't always ring true, I've had many predecimals sitting shallower than the BB's - something about smaller coins working their way deeper than larger ones, much like with the smaller silvers do.

Essentially if it is a high conductor coin sized target - it's coming out of the ground regardless.  At least it sort of keeps you amused between more desirable finds.

Aside from that, aren't Victorians meant to be leaving BB's in the ground these days, being over 50 years old? ;D
AhhhA   you are right being over 50 BUT when was it lost 1&2 cent coins were around for more than 20 years i think .. When decimal coins came in I think you could get an Ice cream in a cone for 3 pence  and a steel can of coke for about 10 cents   those where the days !!!   Lex

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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2017, 13:29 »
I don't mind seeing a few BB's in the ground either, as said it can mean the place hasn't been detected properly or at all. With the CTX I reckon I can get about a 90% success on calling BB's, I've noticed that the ferrous number jumps up to 16 or 17 when you change direction 90 degrees on the swing. It's not totally accurate but if you're looking for silvers and in a bit of a hurry I can be pretty confident I'm not missing too many silvers.
A couple of things to note though is that the type of ground can change the TID and when it has been raining heavilly and very soggy it seems to make it more difficult as well. I tend to revisit spots I've detected previously and detect in layers as there atren't many people into the hobby around my area, so I can leave spots and come back weeks later to redo spots that still have plenty of BB type signals left. After revisiting a few of these spots I have found more silvers but not many, though I do eventually get all the high conductors out and mostly they have been BB's or penny's/half penny's that I've left previously.
It doesn't really bother me missing a few half penny's and penny's, after being in the ground so long they are mostly worthless, just big BB's really.
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2017, 17:21 »
Get an old Sov Xs with a numerical readout and you will never dig another 1 or 2 cent coin. I have not dug any of those coins for years just 5,10,20,and 50s and lots of gold and sil rings n pendants..
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2017, 19:34 »
Get an old Sov Xs with a numerical readout and you will never dig another 1 or 2 cent coin. I have not dug any of those coins for years just 5,10,20,and 50s and lots of gold and sil rings n pendants..

What does the readout show? VDI's? 
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2017, 06:22 »
The standard Sov meter has an adjustable control to change the meter numbers. The first sov meters went to a higher numer than the GT. the number on his machine would be different to mine due to individual settings.
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2017, 07:25 »
I still dig plenty of BB's while hunting silver coins, it's just the way it is with this hobby, I always try to call them before I dig them though. Even if I leave a few deep ones on my first swing at a new spot I still make sure to come back and get all the high conductors eventually.



Get an old Sov Xs with a numerical readout and you will never dig another 1 or 2 cent coin. I have not dug any of those coins for years just 5,10,20,and 50s and lots of gold and sil rings n pendants..
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2017, 18:57 »
Sorry to hear about your gear being stolen mate. I feel your pain in regards to the brown buggers i have been digging literally hundreds of them in the caravan parks. Mind you i have been getting a large amount of pre dec as well. i still dig everything, the ids and tones between some junk and great coins are just toooo close. On another line of thought has anyone got any ideas of what to do with hundreds of brown buggers??
I have found one use for them, and when I say found that's exactly what I mean. I was detecting in near Maryborough Victoria about ten years back, not for gold but old coins. Working my way round an old building I got a nice non-ferris signal. Positive it was a coin, I dug the target out and it turned out to be a battered and slightly bent 2c piece. I gave it a bit of a rub and could see some marks on it, which at first I thought was just some sort of damage. When I got back to where I was staying and started to clean up my loot this coin got dunked in the sink with the rest of my finds. 
After a few minutes of soaking I started rinsing off and noticed that this 2c piece had been stamped with a letter punch. It took me a few minutes to work out what was stamped into the old brown bugger and what it meant, but when I did, had a good old laugh. It was stamped with the following letters and numbers:-
U. R. 2. L8.


When the penny, or in this case the two cents, finally dropped, I realised it was a massage from a someone who had previously detected the area letting me know the area had been searched and I should give up. I had a bit of a chuckle to myself as I cleaned up the two 3d, the 6d, the two pennies and the half penny they had missed. Two of the silvers and two of the coppers dated back to the 1800s.


I hung on to the coin for some time, but as things go, I seem to have misplaced it. Anyway, a few days later I was at the markets at the train station in Maryborough and came across a guy selling old brick-a-brack. He had a handful of predecimal Australian and English coins amongst the stuff on his stall that looked like they had come out of the ground. I mentioned that I'd been detecting and had found a few old coins like them and I told him about the joke on the 2c piece. "Oh", he says with a rye smile on his face, "Is that what that means? I've found a couple of them myself". His reaction left me wondering how much he really did know about these remodeled brown buggers and exactly who had put them around. Has anybody else found one?
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2017, 21:36 »
I liked, then unliked.....Just so I could like again. That is absolute gold. 
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Re: Those damn Brown Buggers
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2017, 07:45 »
That is so funny , also goes to show that no one gets everything , Gazza .
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