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Hi all  :D


I am going to indonesia in less than two weeks am and just wondering, does anybody know of metal detecting shops around Bali or Yogjarkarta??

Thanks!     Help would be FANTASTIC!

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Re:Indonesia detector shops and fakes.
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 18:37 »
I see 2 guest viewing this OLD post. I thought i might add another link to the end of it.



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« Last Edit: March 25, 2012, 17:40 by Rwork »
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Re: Indonesia detector shops and Fakes.
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 20:21 »
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Re: Indonesia detecting shops and Fakes.
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 20:34 »
Geez that list of counterfeiters and dodgy sellers is huge  :o




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Re: Indonesia Detector shops and Fakes.
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 23:52 »
 :o :o :o   wow on the ball there RWORK!   good work.  cheap is rarely  CHEAP. warranty? nah. quality tested product? nah. pay  the extra and all,s  good. so  many  scams, so many suckers  :o  read the papers, the net. too cheap, too bad. many have the 1-2 warranty. once you buy it,   two - ^%$# bad. a bit like  fleebay mbe. ::)                              8)
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Re: Indonesia detector shops and Fakes.
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2012, 08:06 »
You can get really really good chocolate in Yogyakarta :)  It's called Choclat Monggo available at Mirota Batik. Trust me it's the best chocolate you'll ever taste.

Metal detectors? Nah don't do it :)
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Re: Indonesia Detecting shops and Fakes.
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2012, 08:10 »
Best to take your own. Don't you worry the fakes don't stop with minelab. Garrett, fisher, whites, you name it they will fake it. Mongrels.
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Re: Indonesia detecting shops and fakes.
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2012, 09:14 »
We should make a counterfeit thread and pin What do you think Mods???

 it here is another form Coiltec

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Re: Indonesia detecting shops and Fakes.
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2012, 17:36 »
This post got off track a little,i wonder did golddigger go, and did he find a shop. No member golddigger any more,just similar names.
Re counterfeit, this one probably covers it,i will change the header name a little.
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So, I know this mught sound a daft question, but do these counterfeiters just copy the design? Or do they copy the circuitry as well. If you buy one of these things is a good way to test it to stand on a car and see if it makes a noise?
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So, I know this mught sound a daft question, but do these counterfeiters just copy the design? Or do they copy the circuitry as well. If you buy one of these things is a good way to test it to stand on a car and see if it makes a noise?
  hi SOS. i would think that all brands use the same  or  similar components, ie  asia.
 we don,t make any thing here in aust. for minelab circuitry etc do we?  they too are made O/S are,nt they?  funny tho, the chinese GC/ GOLD SNOOPS etc get some good reviews.  cheers. ;)
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I think Minelabs are made in Malaysia from what I hear.
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When the counterfeit manufacturers start copying a product they start out making exact copies even making them as good as the original, they then set about reducing the quality of the parts and manufacturing until they get to the point that they last for 12 months and no more, that then becomes their standard for manufacturing.

Example:
When Japan started making electronics they were the worst in the world, they achieved sales but soon realised that they needed to improve quality or they would not sell product, they not only improved their standards but set new highs for standards and now Japanese electronics is considered the best.

Malaysia and other countries in that region are at the point where they know they need to lift their game or lose sales to China.

China is at just past the start of the cycle, they are at the point of reducing quality until they can manufacture it the cheapest, people are starting to realise that Chinese products are crap and at some point China will have to lift their game or some other country like India will start the copy cycle.

The metal detectors being counterfeited would likely have circuit boards and parts that are identical to the genuine ones.
Some manufacturers will have substituted the internals for some that will give the appearance of working properly and will even detect metal but won't be the same as the other manufacturers, they will find sales falling as the better fakes take the market.
The manufacturers that make identical copies of the original won't have all the knowledge of the genuine product so won't know what fine internal adjustments to make to have it operating within original specifications, they will also choose cheaper parts that may not have the correct tolerance so the circuit won't perform as it should.

Take the Xterra 705 for example, the copy will still detect metal, have all the menu's, settings etc but it won't perform as well as a genuine one.
When you set the threshold the copy won't be producing the same output as the original, when setting discrimination patterns the copy might discriminate out more than just what you set it to or less.
When you swap coils the copy might not use the correct frequency for that coil or it may not recognise that a coil has been connected.


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Hi all  :D


I am going to indonesia in less than two weeks am and just wondering, does anybody know of metal detecting shops around Bali or Yogjarkarta??

Thanks!     Help would be FANTASTIC!

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In answer to your original question, i don't think you will find one and if you do the machines they sell will not be worth the investment, consider for a moment that the average local only earns about 42000 rupiah a month about $30 OZ, and something like the XTerra would cost them around 1650000 rupiah, only millionaires in Bali could afford such a machine.
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Eljay you make a good point. An exciting & scary point. Imagine all the goodies on the beaches due to the fact that detectors are so expensive that hardly anyone has one. On the other hand you be watched by everyone including shady characters. Your detector will make a great target to be taken.
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Eljay you make a good point. An exciting & scary point. Imagine all the goodies on the beaches due to the fact that detectors are so expensive that hardly anyone has one. On the other hand you be watched by everyone including shady characters. Your detector will make a great target to be taken.

That's right, there are those who do take MD's to Bali though, you can google search and find forums with info, basically it's ok with the Indonesian authorities according to the Indonesian consulate here in OZ, but you will be questioned about what it is, and why you have it on arrival.
next forget taking a VLF machine it's PI country only due to high mineralization on the beaches, the black sand at Sanur can be picked up with a magnet, you will have local kids following you around who apparently call out what it is you have found, it is said that large groups detecting on the beaches are targeted by local police and detectors have been confiscated. all in all i reckon it might be better to enjoy the local highlights and give detecting a rest for awhile.
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